The man who police say shot and killed 27 people, including 20 children, in Newtown, CT Friday has ties to New Hampshire.
According to The Eagle-Tribune, the family of Adam Lanza has roots in Haverhill and Southern New Hampshire. The newspaper is reporting Lanza's parents were married in Kingston in 1981, according to town records, and that Lanza's parents lived in Kingston after their marriage before moving to Connecticut. Lanza was also reportedly born in Kingston and lived there with his family until 1998.
The Union Leader is also reporting that Lanza's mother, Nancy Lanza, was the sister of Kingston Police Officer James Champion. CBS Boston says that local police and the FBI were at Champion's East Kingston home on Friday night.
Local, state and federal officials, along with an FBI crisis team, have been on the scene of the shocking incident in the southwestern Connecticut town since just after 9 a.m. Friday morning, after a gunman opened fire inside an elementary school.
DLC
8:02 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
God bless all the poor innocent souls that died in this horrific happening today.
I hope that people will give the families and friends of these poor families a chance to grieve before they start about gun control.
Weather you are pro or anti NRA now is not the time to even bring it up.
Let us all put our energies into supporting these people.
No one who has not lost a child can ever understand what these people are going through.
Keith F Thompson
11:24 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
Saying "today is not the day" is, in fact, politicizing the tragedy. You are saying the status quo is ok.
It is not.
Columbine was 13 and 1/2 years ago. Can we talk about the need for sensible gun laws now?
My support for the victims families is full and complete. Strangely, I still have support and prayers left for the victims of the next tragedy.
Nikki Arguin
11:50 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
When is a good time to bring it up? We are having murders at the hands of people holding guns several times a week? There will never be a good time to bring it up. The rights of gun owners outweighed the rights of those twenty children today... today is the day to start the talks of stricter gun control.
Patriot
6:38 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Nikki, when are you going to out law cars? More people are killed with cars! Criminals and insane people will carry out their deeds no matter what law you pass!
Steve From NH
7:30 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Patriot, people do not buy cars to kill other people.
Patriot
9:53 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Steve from NH, I am sure the mother of this individual did not but the guns to kill children.
The top five leading causes of injury-related deaths were:
Suicide
Motor vehicle crashes
Poisoning
Falls
Homicide
Researchers say the findings demonstrate that suicide is now a global public health issue.
"Our finding that suicide now accounts for more deaths than do traffic crashes echoes similar findings for the European Union, Canada, and China,” they write.
*How did the murderer die? Suicide!
No Longer interested
12:05 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
So Patriot, why do we make it so easy for insane people to get guns?
And DLC, now is the time to talk about, to prevent another tragedy from happening.
The problem is that too many people have too many guns, not that there aren't enough guns out there, so much so, that, as Patriot pointed out, they are getting in the hands of the wrng people.
Patriot
12:19 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ray Guarino, one little bottle of chemicals could kill more than a gun. From everything I have read, he was very intelligent. The family was respected and loved. There is no quick solution, no easy answer. We have closed down most mental health institutions. De funded many programs that deal with these problems. ""Timothy James "Tim" McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist who detonated a truck bomb."" No guns!
We need to be more vigilant and proactive. Communities cannot afford to hire protection from all the ills of the world. We as a people need to take an active role in our own protection!
No Longer interested
12:41 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Patriot,
I ask again, why do we make it so easy for people with mental health problems to get guns?
There are answers to the problem, first you must admit the problem, that is our country is awash in guns. All of us have easy access to guns. That's the problem, not the solution. States with stricter gun control have the least amount of gun deaths.
I refuse to believe that "there are no easy answers." The answers are right in front of us.
Patriot
3:36 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ray Guarino, you are right, why don't we take care of our mental health issues? In a free society most everything is easy to get. And for that I thank God.
No Longer interested
5:37 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
So Patriot, again you avoid the question, why is it so easy for people with mental problems to get guns?
You avoid the question to avoid the obvious, that is it's so easy to get guns in America that people who shouldn't have them can easily get them, yet, neoconservatives are so paranoid about their so-called "Second Amendment Rights", that they don't care if dangerous people get guns. Neocoservatives put us all in danger.
Patriot
5:53 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Patriot
6:04 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Ray Guarino, you have asked the same question over and over. I don't know if Nancy Lanza was mentally disturbed. Guns are as plentiful as used cars so how you keep something like a gun from anyone is hard to answer.
Politicians are in the process of taking our right to protest. Freedom of speech, right to bare arms, purchase health care are just some of the issues we are having tremendous restrictions on.
Oh and by the way, what the heck did "neoconservatives" mean?
No Longer interested
7:23 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Patriot,
you say "Guns are as plentiful as used cars so how you keep something like a gun from anyone is hard to answer."
Not hard to answer at all, Massachusetts does it, New York does it. The bad guys have a difficult time getting their hands on guns, so they have to go to states such as Virginia, where the laws are lax an bring them back to NY or Boston. Or they can walk into a gun show and walk out with a gun.
A neoconservative is an extremist, most people who currently populate the leadership of the Republican Party. People who spout nonsense such as Huckabee as he explain the reason for the Newtown massacre is that there is no school prayer. People who never met a regulation they liked, people who think that cutting taxes for the wealthy creates jobs. People who are deluded in thinking progressives are communists. People who think that there is no separation of church and state. Neoconservatives are race baiters, using the southern strategy in every presidential election since Nixon's time.
People who are very different from Dwight D. Eisenhower.
No Longer interested
7:23 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
In short, Patriot, neoconservatives are not real conservatives.
Patriot
8:06 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sad news Ray
The increase in Class A permits - the largest and broadest category of gun license - amounted to a jump of more than 28,000 statewide to about 224,000 as of last month, according to data provided by the state Executive Office of Public Safety and Security.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/12/20/gun_permits_surge_in_state/
Patriot
8:13 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
There were over 600,000 hunters
this season in the state of Wisconsin ..
Allow me to restate that number:
600,000
These men deployed to
the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with
firearms, and no one was killed.
And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states.
It's millions more.
No Longer interested
8:24 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Patriot,
the increase in permits in Massachusetts over the last two years should just about dispell the notion that strict gun control in states like Massachusetts will "take away your guns".
So then maybe you'd be for national laws like that of Massachsuesetts, after all, your stats prove that despite Massachsuetts' strict gun control, people can and do get gun permits.
Thank you Patriot for showing how little you have to fear over over stricter gun control laws, such as those in Massachusetts.
And we are not talking about hunting, plenty of people hunt, even urbanites hunt.
The 600,000 Wisconsin hunters are not the issue.
Sarah Gay
1:31 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Gun control will only adversely affect law abiding citizens. Criminals and unstable people will find a way to get a gun. But, why not take away the rights of the American people and give the criminals an even bigger upper hand? This tragedy was not the result of poor gun control.
Patriot
6:30 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You are right Sarah, Drudge reported the murderer was autistic. ""Ryan Lanza, 24, the brother of gunman Adam Lanza is taken into custody for questioning.
The shooter was found with an ID that bore his brother’s name, a law-enforcement source said, but there is no indication that it was stolen. A source told The Post Ryan has told investigators he last saw Adam in 2010 and that Adam is autistic.""
Steve From NH
7:49 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Nope - eventually there will be far fewer guns. NYC is taking guns away from people on the street, and the murder by handgun rate has gone down 75%.
This tragedy is absolutely the result of poor gun control. If we had very good gun control (and right now we have 0, none, nada, zilch, thank you NRA) he would not have had assault weapons.
Patriot
6:35 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Instead of locking up guns lock up people. I know it is crazy and many people want a simple solution. Taking away guns is not the answer to mental health problems. Taking money away from the wealthy will not solve poverty.
B. E. Baines
1:50 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
"Lock up people". And who would that be ? Lock them up before a crime is committed because they exhibit "abnormal" behaviors ? NH budgets have been cut for social services that may help children, and adults too, with difficulties. Identifying people who display serious coping issues, anger, and other poor stress management behaviors and getting the help that they need may prevent another tragedy. Of course, keeping guns out of the equation is essential.
Patriot
6:32 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
B.E. Baines, ""Instead of locking up guns lock up people. I know it is crazy""
Are you going to bring in the UN to collect the guns?
Patriot
6:37 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I sit here almost in tears listening to the news. And I have also spent the day reading post. Amazing, this blame game :(
Chuck Bardwell
8:09 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This is a terrible tragedy. It is not however isolated to the USA or guns. The problem is people, moral codes, mental instability and a me first, make everything fair or I will take what I want from others attitude. There is such a thing as over empowering people. Please hand in all your guns and knives and automobiles at your local police station as they all kill. Actually most people do not buy guns or knives to kill other people either. www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/14/china-school-stabbings/1770395/
Steve From NH
8:28 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Guns are meant for killing.
Cars aren't.
With the NRA propaganda and lobbying machine causing grown politicians to quake in their loafers, we are 'forbidden' from trying to limit the proliferation of guns. That's BS.
It's time to stand up to bullies like Wayne LaPierre and the NRA. They want it all - any kind of gun for anybody with no background check, and explosive ammo while you're at it. And right now, in reality, that's the way it is. If you want a gun, no matter who you are, you can go get one - especially if you live in NH. And the NRA wants those people to be able to carry those guns, hidden, anywhere they feel like carrying them, without any permit at all. Schools, libraries - you can bring your gun into the Bedford Public Library today - there's nothing they can do about it. Same with the State House. Playgrounds, sports fields, stadiums, malls, everywhere and anywhere you want, the NRA wants you to bring a gun, and wants to take away any power to prohibit. See HB334 , passed by the house. Andrew Manuse, State Rep. from Derry and a member of the Free State Project wants felons to be able to carry too, and he introduced HB1375 to do so.
And we are supposed to stand by and do nothing, because "cars kill too". That's BS.
judith
8:14 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
It's time to take away the NRA's power. Too many guns available.
Jan Schmidt
8:28 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
The NRAhas become nothing more than the lobbying arm of gun manufacturers.
Remember after Columbine? They sponsored a gun show in the next town over a couple of days after the attack, and had Charlton Heston... Sick with dementia... Come and exclaim that they will have to pry his gun from his cold dead hands... The same kind of show where the killer's guns had been bought.... Shoving in everyone's faces that we can arm the insane and you can do nothing about it.
Darn it, it's time we do something about it. Our children are dying, and everyone who tells you one of the NRA talking points is no better than the killers...
We can fix this. We must fix this.
Ron Wells
8:57 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Big gun show down here in Knoxville right after Christmas. I haven't been to a southern gun show yet but I may have to attend just to get a weapon to protect me from the crazies in the world. If I remember correctly, there wasn't an assault weapon used in the shootings. It was all done with 2 pistols and the rifle was found in the car.
Andrew John
9:06 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
These tragedies have occurred and will continue to occur due to the human dynamic; not everyone is sane and some small segment of the population will end their life and the lives of others in a horrific manner—whether by gun or another means. The mainstream media and politicians jump on these events to push an agenda…the reduction of liberty on law-abiding citizens. Few ask the question of why most of these events occur in schools/universities/movie theaters. They are gun-free zones. Those people are easy targets and shooters know it. How sick are we as a society to continue to allow those venues to occur given the recent history. Sad (tragic?) how media/pols rarely report how thousands of people every year legally defend themselves with guns against the scum of society.
Steve, maybe you can define your objective for “very good” gun control. You incorrectly state we have “none”.
According to wikipedia the NYC murder rate is down, due to a number of reasons--one, I submit, being the stand-up of a “police state”. NOT a system under which I want to live (live free….NH). Bloomberg has all the police protection he could want. He’d have all the NYC residents (subjects) completely disarmed if he had his way. Remember, self-protection is a basic human right.
Rosesred
11:54 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I couldn't agree more. There always has been and always will be insanity. Research, treatment or confinement are the answer. Guns or no guns.
Curly-lady
9:54 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
For those of you thinking about going out and buying a hand gun for your personal protection: Many, many of the hand gun deaths are people dying after being shot with their own gun as was the case with the first death that started this massacre! I grew up with guns, have hunting guns - used for hunting - but no hand guns. I remember too well playing with the hand guns that were around us as children. Lucky there were no events back then! So, so very sad for all those people. My heart goes out to them, they will never be the same.
Jet Black Heart
11:55 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I carry a pistol for the protection of everyone around me, if there were more people "carrying" who are educated educated in self defence things like this wouldnt happen outside of schools and courtrooms ect ect. More strict gun laws arent going to help the community , If someone not in the right mind wants to obtain a gun they will do so legalliy or not you think every gun made is accounted for ?
Patriot
12:03 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
http://townhall.com/columnists/celiabigelow/2012/10/20/12yearold_defends_herself_with_gun_proves_need_of_2nd_amendment/page/full/
Jet Black Heart
12:03 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I think we really need to focus upon the kind of individuals who perform these acts and focus upon preventing these sick ( not evil or bad) people from getting to this point. Im willing to bet if we were more aware of this kind of personality disorder we may get to them earlier and help them get the medical attention they need. Hey im sad this happened to these poor babies but im also sad that that 20 year old kid thought thatwas his only option.
Patriot
12:05 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
You don't throw the baby out with the bath water!
No Longer interested
12:42 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Don't bathe the baby in filthy bathwater.
Patriot
6:49 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Constitutionals rights are valuable, don't discard them in haste.
No Longer interested
7:08 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Don't pervert our constitutional rights.
Jet Black Heart
12:32 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
"You don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"
what is that supposed to mean?
No Longer interested
5:38 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Why don't we obey the constitution?
Every American with a gun should be enrolled in a militia under government jurisdiction.
Mark
3:45 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Supreme Court ruling in DC vs. Heller:
Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.
etc.
Mark
3:47 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
and in the majority opinion of the court supporting the Heller ruling:
“Right of the People.” The first salient feature of the operative clause is that it codifies a “right of the people.” The unamended Constitution and the Bill of Rights use the phrase “right of the people” two other times, in the First Amendment’s Assembly-and-Petition Clause and in the Fourth Amendment’s Search-and-Seizure Clause. The Ninth Amendment uses very similar terminology (“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people”). All three of these instances unambiguously
refer to individual rights, not “collective” rights, or rights that may be exercised only through participation in some corporate body.
Patriot
6:51 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I am from the government, trust me? Good one Ray! Right up there with "the check is in the mail"
No Longer interested
7:06 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Right, you shouldn't trust the government by the people, you don't trust the people.
And for the record, what I said was that we should go by what the constitution states, which is that the people with arms must be part of a well regulate militia.
ForThePeople
7:43 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Are you sure, Ray? Have you seen the militias around the nation lately? These are- at best- gun clubs, and at worst extremist bigots. Sometimes both. They don't protect anything.
No Longer interested
8:17 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
FTP,
I'm talking about real militias, or as we like to call it "The National Guard".
ForThePeople
8:51 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Doesn't the National Guard serve the federal government as well, as reserves? I agree they may have started out as a militia, but I think they are beneath the United States Army now. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Mark
3:55 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Ray - the second amendment was written before the National Guard existed as a national body. The National Guard was established as a federally funded body in 1910 and exists as a subset of the militia as defined by Title 10 section 311 of the United States Code:
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
In other words under US law the National Guard is a subset of the Militia, but this is irrelevant as I detailed earlier that the Supreme Court ruled membership of the Militia is not required to exercise the individual right to keep and bear arms.
Jet Black Heart
8:10 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
This is the government by the media not the people. If this was by the people for the people the greedy powerhungry buinessmen wouldnt be the only people running and being elected for president. The United States really needs to open there eyes.
No Longer interested
8:27 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
"Government by the media" You must be talking about Fox.
Rae C
8:12 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Thousands died in 911 and no guns were used. 9000 people died last year from drunk drivers, who do you want to blame? the car, the bartender, the alcohol manufacturer, the government for making it legal or the person driving drunk? 22 elementary school children were stabbed in China, no guns. 6 people died years ago from tainted Tylenol from a woman trying to kill her husband. It does not matter the weapon, it they want to do any crime, they will find the means to do it.
More laws, more regulations, more this more that... you already have a black box in every new car manufactured, if you get in an accident, don't try to lie! Your actions have been recorded.. Enough already!
Mark
3:58 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
In addition 26 children died last year getting on and off their School Bus and 800+ were killed while being driven to or from school.
Steve From NH
7:14 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
So why does any of that mean that we should allow easy access to these weapons? If we follow your argument all the way to the end, everybody dies of something, so let's just make murder legal?
Jet Black Heart
8:50 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
As much as i like video games. I could see the first person shooters games influence it as well. My 18life year old brother in law were playing a game and a 12year old boy watched one of us pick up a m1 in the game he explained how many shots that it was a bolt action rifle and how it fired. This kid has never touched a real gun but im willing to bet he could pick it up and fire it like he brought it to war.
Patriot
6:45 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
More laws, prisons, cops, judges, and less people working to support this system. Endless circle!
Dennis Karoleski
12:07 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
In this emotion charged climate so soon after the school murders when so many are clamoring for the same firearm laws that have already been shown to be useless may discover some insight by viewing these three net sites: http://ssristories.com/index.php ,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDivHkQ2GSg and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be
Patriot
9:21 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mark they can't even get seat belts on a school bus. My children have asked why don't we have seat belts?