After months of heated debate over voter rights, the New Hampshire House voted in favor of Voter ID legislation, 226 to 115.
Senate Bill 289 requires that a voter present one of four types of photo ID when voting, and if they are unable to produce a valid ID, they must sign a voter affidavit and have their photo taken. The bill, which was passed with a House amendment, now goes back to the Senate.
Frustration boiled over during debate over the bill on the House floor, resulting in State Rep. Steve Vaillancourt being ejected from the Statehouse by House Speaker William O'Brien, R-Mont Vernon.
O'Brien, in a prepared statement after the vote, said:
“We must ensure that our elections are as pure as possible, and free of corruption. For years, clean election advocates have been warning the Attorney General and the Legislature about both the opportunity for fraud and evidence of electoral fraud. We saw evidence of this problem firsthand in the New Hampshire primary this year. This bill will finally address the immediate need for protecting the integrity of the ballot box and the principle of ‘one man, one vote."
Hours after the vote, House Minority Leader Terie Norelli, D-Portsmouth, sent Patch this statement from the NH House Floor:
"The attorney general and the secretary of state have consistently testified that there is no meaningful problem with impersonation fraud. The House passed amendment, which was opposed by the city and town clerks, will make it more difficult to vote, spend money we do not have, and will create chaos on election day," Norelli wrote.
The bill has been publicly criticized by several voting rights advocates, who call the bill discriminatory, including: America Votes, the League of Women Voters of New Hampshire, Disability Rights Center, Granite State Independent Living, Granite State Progress, American Friends Service Committee, and NH Alliance for Retired Americans.
Citing some of those concerns, Gov. John Lynch vetoed a similar bill in 2011. In his veto message, he argued there is no voter fraud problem in New Hampshire.
The current bill had a strong following coming into 2012. After the James O'Keefe undercover voter controversy on Primary Day in January, Republican legislative leaders have underscored that voter fraud is a big problem in New Hampshire and they hold up the voter ID bill as the remedy.
The House Election Law Committee's minority report, written by Rep. David Pierce, D-Etna, notes the bill as amended lacks the bipartisan support behind previous editions of the proposal. Town and city clerks had supported the bill when it came out of the Senate, but now oppose it, according to Pierce.
"They are charged with running an efficient polling place on election day, and believe this bill, as amended, will create chaos on election day," Pierce writes in the minority report.
Underwater Couple
2:16 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Great news, finally.
News Flash
2:19 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Does this mean the dead cant vote for democrats anymore.
susanthe
2:24 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Underwater Couple is an apt sobriquet. I take it you don't mind your property taxes going up to pay for this unnecessary legislation?
Underwater Couple
2:28 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Democrats are responsible for increases in property taxes.
Seamus Carty
7:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
There was no cost mentioned in the article. How is this going to cost more? How much?
susanthe
2:27 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Given that the only voter fraud perpetuated in NH has been by Republicans, it's surprising that the freebaglicans are so hot for it. Of course the money trail leads right to ALEC and the Koch Bros.
susanthe
2:30 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Yeahright. And that's why your property taxes went up this year, because of Democrats.
News Flash
2:42 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Top 5 Nashua Pensions (This is why taxes are going up in Nashua)
Buxton $109,715
Jones $103,703
Gautier $103,580
Burnham $100,136
MacDonald $99,338
Bob Samson
3:05 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Looks like the dems let down one of their main voting blocks. The Dead.
David Victory
4:26 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Yay! A solution to a problem that didn't exist!
"Over the past century, our nation expanded the franchise and knocked down myriad barriers to full electoral participation. In 2011, however, that momentum abruptly shifted.
State governments across the country enacted an array of new laws making it harder to register or to vote. Some states require voters to show government-issued photo identification, often of a type that as many as one in ten voters do not have. Other states have cut back on early voting, a hugely popular innovation used by millions of Americans. Two states reversed earlier reforms and once again disenfranchised millions who have past criminal convictions but who are now taxpaying members of the community. Still others made it much more difficult for citizens to register to vote, a prerequisite for voting.
These new restrictions fall most heavily on young, minority, and low-income voters, as well as on voters with disabilities. This wave of changes may sharply tilt the political terrain for the 2012 election."
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/voting_law_changes_in_2012
If Republican really gave a damn about stolen elections, they'd push for paper ballots. Won't hear a peep from them about that. Tricks and cold, hard cash is all they've got.
My $0.02
5:50 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
@ Dave,
Young people?, How do they drive or cash check's, ID maybe?
What is a minority anyways?
How do low income collecting some kind of aid cash there check's?, ID maybe?
Same goes with people collecting disabilty, they use there ID, don't they?
If you don't have anything to hide there really isn't an issue, is there?
David Victory
2:14 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@ My 2
Different states have different laws. Some require a government issued PHOTO ID, and will not accept student ID cards, or social security cards (no photo), or even expired driver's licenses.
This elderly woman was denied the right to vote for the first time in 70 years:
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/08/worse-than-jim-crow-96-year-old-african-american-woman-denied-voter-id/
Another senior denied: http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/article/20111204/WDH06/112040373/Voter-ID-becomes-law-unintended-consequences
This vet's photo ID from the Department of Veteran's Affairs was refused:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/86-year-old-us-veteran-paul-carroll-denied-right-vote
I agree that MOST of us have a valid photo ID. These ID laws won't affect millions of people - but remember just how close many recent elections have been - A HAND FULL of votes can tilt an election. And voter suppression is about more than just IDs. It's also about eliminating "day of" registration (which is very popular), so people can't vote if they don't get their paperwork in on time. http://www.wpxi.com/videos/news/problems-at-the-polls-local-man-denied-right-to/vC2Qg/
There are more examples, but I'm tired. The point is all of this bulls*it is to address a problem that DOES NOT EXIST. http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
It's about suppressing the vote.
susanthe
5:58 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
My $0.02 - can you show some proof of voter fraud in NH?
Ports
12:49 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@My $0.02
Low income people who recieve benfits as well as the disabled and the elderly (SSI and SSDI)
get benifit on a card. No ID is required to use these cards. I can see you have no clue what your talking about and live in a hole in which you should go back to. Next you will be bashing these people with you intelligence.
Seamus Carty
7:44 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
There is no mechanism in place to detect voter fraud. It is difficult to provide proof that it has happened. There is also no proof that it has not. There is a video that shows that it could easily happen. I know I can walk into any precinct in the state and vote as someone else if I get there before they do. Just pick a name out of the phone book,
My $0.02
8:48 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Dave, Susan;
I understand and appreciate your option, though seen or unseen, whether we want to believe it or not, fraud does exist in this state, from the highest level on down. To me it’s a small price to pay, mistakes will be made, as they always will.
Locks on doors are there to keep people honest, it may not always work, but it’s a dam good start.
As far as “Port” goes, when anyone applies for a benefit, I was under the impression you would need some kind of “ID” to apply. As far as your moronic insult, all I can say is, “Grow up”.
David Victory
4:47 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@ Seamus
"I know I can walk into any precinct in the state and vote as someone else if I get there before they do."
And if you don't? Class B felony. Five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Want to risk it for a single fraudulent vote - if you're lucky? Could an election be swung by crowds of idiots risking felonies attempting to vote as someone else? No. This is an non-issue. If the GOP really wanted to prevent election theft they'd be pushing for hand-counted paper ballots. They're not.
David Victory
4:58 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@ My 2
"...though seen or unseen, whether we want to believe it or not, fraud does exist in this state, from the highest level on down."
There is little doubt of that, but we're talking specifically about voter fraud in this case, and there is no evidence that anyone is doing it - aside from attention hungry GOP stunt pullers.
Bank robbery is possible, too. How many people do it? Very few. And in spite of all the precautions banks put in place, a miniscule number of criminals get away with it. So why don't more try it? The payoff would be considerably more satisfying than voting as someone else. Answer: 1. It's wrong 2. It's not worth the risk.
EAN
9:49 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
VoteR vs. Vote Fraud- A point of interest and history:
The actual original term, among the in-the-trenches election SYSTEM investigators, was never "voteR fraud", but, rather, "vote fraud." The suddenly-soon-made-popular term, "voter fraud," was viewed by investigators as a clever trick to take the focus off the then recently-discovered *systemic* election fraud and shift the onus to the voter. The predominant fraud had actually been found at the *design* level- i.e., back doors in the invisible, fully-flashable firmware, hidden filters, widespread in-machine vaporous vote counts without proper checks and balances, oversight, etc. Also among many alarming findings by reputable investigators of notable expertise, less than three sets of books were found inside the universal election systems software, and standard accounting practices were absent.
Yet, on the premise of "voteR fraud", "Voter I.D." bills were strategically-seeded in all states, with remarkably similarly language, by what have since proved to be such groups as Koch interests, Heritage and ALEC. (con't)
EAN
9:52 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
(con't)
When New Hampshire held out, "O'Keefe" proved the icing on the cake for this state. See how this divisively clever strategy has had us in-fighting- divided- undermining our own state, when we might all well do better firmly uniting together to secure our state's elections from such clever outsider interests as, dare we say, the C I A and N S A?
Meanwhile, the unfortunate trend to further centralize complete control of invisible electronic elections worldwide is intensifying, with the recent rollout of so-called "Internet Voting," viewed by many as the "digital death of your ballot." Bad enough that George Soros is now slated, it is reported, to personally oversee the U.S. General Election "vote count," itself, via SCYTL., a private outfit based in Spain! http://www.prisonplanet.com/a-spanish-company-known-as-scytl-will-be-reporting-election-results-for-hundreds-of-u-s-jurisdictions-on-election-day.html
(con't)
EAN
9:53 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
(con't)
The graceful way out of this spiraling electronic elections mess- a 40-year business plan in the making- it now seems, is to hail and highlight the excellent leadership of our own Lyndeborough, New Hampshire, with its ordinance-driven insistence on hand-counted paper ballots- hand-counted by officials in public view on site on Election Night- thus more so immune to the ever-pressing potential for increasingly more centralized electronic vote count sleight-of-hand.
Early on in the e-voting evolution of this state, S.O.S. Bill Gardner shared that, if he had it *his* way, he'd want hand-counted paper ballots for New Hampshire. "But," he said, "I can't tell the Moderators what to do." If the good City Clerks and Moderators of New Hampshire will simply stand with him on this, we could well inspire
other states to do the same, and *all* emerge in November as the winner.
EAN
10:07 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
Please note, typo in the above (1 of 3) was to read:
"Also among many alarming findings by reputable investigators of notable expertise, [no] less than three sets of books were found inside the universal election systems software, and standard accounting practices were absent."
David Victory
1:36 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@ EAN
I agree that hand-counted paper ballots are the way to go.
News Flash
10:48 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012
This bill was passed because the People of NH wanted it passed. This simple fact always escapes democrats. Democrats think that the people of the state are stupid and ignorant. They are not.
Ted Sizer
8:12 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
GREAT NEWS!
Timothy Harden
8:55 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Extremist liberals lost, they should get over it and get out of the way of progress.
Brian St. Onge
12:27 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
There's a reason democrats don't want a voter ID bill. It's the same reason they don't want the borders secured and don't want illegal immigrants deported.
News Flash
12:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
@Brian. You hit the nail on the head.
Jan Schmidt
1:14 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
I agree - when every citizen of voting age has been issued a photo ID - then a bill to require it being shown when voting is exactly right.
chuckles
4:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
.02 cents worth: I have locks on my doors to keep people from robbing me, not to keep them honest! Honest people won't rob me!
chuckles
4:57 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
so how do people under the age of 21 drink? fake id's!!! Is this really going to solve anything? especially when there is no voter fraud problem and this law will make it more difficult for certain groups of people to vote!
susanthe
5:39 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
My $0.02 - you cannot show any proof that voter fraud exists in NH, but we're supposed to take it on your say so that it's a problem. Sorry, sparky - I like facts, not anecdotes.
susanthe
5:47 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Seamus - I would love to see you try to pull someone else's ballot in the town I vote in. You'd be in cuffs quicker than you could tell a teabaglican lie. Do us all a favor, DO IT.
susanthe
6:01 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Hocus Pocus Can't Seem to Focus: What do you know about NH? The legislature, full of one term teabaggers doesn't represent the majority of the voters in NH. They'll all be out on their behinds come November, and they know it - which is why they're passing so much crap legislation. Now, let's see some proof of NH Voter fraud, not being committed by out of state Republicans?
susanthe
6:18 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
In other words, you have no proof of voter fraud, so you're going to try lame diversionary tactics. And of course, everyone who doesn't agree with you MUST be a Democrat. Pretty dumb but consistent teabagger strategy. Are you even from NH, out of Focus?
susanthe
6:24 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
All rightey than. You have no proof of voter fraud in NH, and you're from out of state. Thank for clearing that up.
News Flash
6:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Democrat favorite Occupy NH is a flop and you are just jealous. It was a flop because NH people rejected it.
susanthe
6:40 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
NewsFlash - you're way, way off topic. The topic is NH Voter fraud. Got anything to say about that?? Jealous? Of dull witted Republicans? You're kidding, right?
News Flash
6:46 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
You brought Tea Party into the conversation didn't you. Are you ashamed of democratic support of the Occupy Jerks, is that your problem. Maybe just because of their failure.
Also, the Occupy infiltration to NH was from "Out of State". That topic you also brought up.
susanthe
6:49 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
NewsFlash: A number of teabaggers are serving in the NH legislature, hence my bringing them into a discussion of an NH VOTER ID Bill. You don't have much of a clue, do you sparky? Can you tell us what Occupy has to do with the topic or the voter ID bill? Can you offer up some proof of NH voter fraud? I'm guessing that you can do none of the above.
Don't wait by the phone for mensa to call.
Hilltopper
10:17 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
There are 226 Teabaggers serving in the NH House?
PS Mensa doesn't call - you have to apply
Timothy Harden
9:58 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
Project Veritas up to it again, this time in North Carolina.
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/05/project-veritas-dead-people-voting
Thanks to
Skip Murphy
Granite Grok
susanthe
11:43 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
Here's what the granitecretins won't tell you - O'Keefe made a fool of himself:http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/05/15/484462/james-o-keefe-voter-fraud-north-carolina/
Of course, young James who still lives with his mommy wouldn't know truth if it lept up and bit him on the buttocks.
Just The Truth
11:23 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
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Just The Truth
11:25 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
There they go again....the liberal Dems can't win an argument, so they start calling others names if don't think the way they do. Teabaggers? Really? How crude can they get.
Just The Truth
11:31 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
and as for susanthe, the way a republican democracy works is that the people (the living ones) vote for representatives and the reps pass laws. In 2010, the Dems that spent our state towards ruin, were booted and the Rs became the majority because the people of NH wanted them back. If you don't like the laws they pass, you can do one of two things: campaign for your candidates using sound arguments, or you can move. I hear Massachusetts is looking for a few more liberal namecalling Dems. You should fit in quite well with the likes of Elizabeth Fauxahantus Warren.
susanthe
11:46 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
The Democrats had control of the NH legislature for 4 years. The Republicans had control for 150. In 4 years the Democrats "spent our state toward ruin?" Bwaaaahahahaha. Got some proof of that bag of bat guano, Mr. Truthiness?
susanthe
11:37 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012
There they go again. Republicans rewriting history and stereotyping. (Isn't "liberal Dem" redundant?) And of course anyone who criticizes the far right fascists of the NH Freebaglican party MUST be a Democrat. You people don't have intellect, you have jerking right knees.
That said, how quickly you try to forget and pretend that Teabaggers called themselves Teabaggers in the beginning of their "movement." It was on hats, on pins, and on signs.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/05/04/todays-manufactured-outrage/
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/enough-whining-teabaggers-actually-i
I thought you people hated political correctness??? Apparently only when the bag is on the other chin.
Hardy Har Har Har
1:38 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012
The mobility of dead people is astounding. They vote in New Hampshire, jump in a car and drive to North Carolina. Democrats should be proud because they drove a Chevy Volt.